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[dj030892]

Haha, I had to watch it over a few days. I also don't have the time nor patience to watch it all in one sitting. I suggest you watch it if you're interested in it though (at least the first 20 minutes), because my summary isn't quite as in depth and the speaker knows how to communicate what he's attempting to say very effectively and clearly. It basically discussess all the traditional interpretations of Scripture, which some Christians have taken to mean that being gay is a sin, and exmaines them from a new perspective, suggesting that they may have been misinterpreted.

The part that struck me most was the speaker's comments on the view that gay people shouldn't act on their feelings as God hates the sin not the sinner. It isn't fair that gay people shouldn't be allowed to fall in love, when they can be just as loving and committed as hetrosexual couples. Saying that means that gay people are forced be alone their whole lives and that falling in love is one of the worst things that could happen to a gay person as they would need to reject those feelings and shouldn't form attachments in that way. Whilst hetrosexual couples can fall in love, get married and start families, gay people should be left out from experiencing the joy of such things. The Scripture holds authority, so therefore, that's how it must be done, no matter how sad and unfulfilling the person's life is. That, to me, is ridiculous.

That was just a summary of one point in the video, so it would be very difficult for me to summarise the entire video, haha. I always struggle to remain concise. It's very insightful, so watch it if you have time. Completely dismantles the traditional view.

Edited by dj030892, 11 May 2012 - 03:34 PM.

[Bernadette]

"If gay marriage affects your straight marriage obviously your marriage is pretty shitty to begin with." - Mila Kunis.

All the awards.

[aussiemusiclover]

Whatever your opinion may be, this is worth looking at.



Kind Regards,

Aussiemusiclover

[Bernadette]

Whatever your opinion may be, this is worth looking at.



Kind Regards,

Aussiemusiclover

Rolling my eyes at this vid. SMH, just smh.

All they want is to be able to get married and have the same EQUAL RIGHTS, and hell with the reproductive medicine today - gay couples CAN have their own children, children which people don't want, and even have their own biological kids.

I just don't understand what is so fucking wrong with that?

Like wow you changed 84 rules and whatever else, like you shouldn't have done that in the first place? lol no, not buying it.

It's not rocket science.

[aussiemusiclover]

Rolling my eyes at this vid. SMH, just smh.

All they want is to be able to get married and have the same EQUAL RIGHTS, and hell with the reproductive medicine today - gay couples CAN have their own children, children which people don't want, and even have their own biological kids.

I just don't understand what is so fucking wrong with that?

Like wow you changed 84 rules and whatever else, like you shouldn't have done that in the first place? lol no, not buying it.

It's not rocket science.

So please tell me, how do two gay people, naturally conceive a child?
With the reproductuve medicine that allows gay couples to have children, will it be the biological child to both of the gay parents?

Kind Regards,

Aussiemusiclover

[Walshy]

Rolling my eyes at this vid. SMH, just smh.

All they want is to be able to get married and have the same EQUAL RIGHTS, and hell with the reproductive medicine today - gay couples CAN have their own children, children which people don't want, and even have their own biological kids.

I just don't understand what is so fucking wrong with that?

Like wow you changed 84 rules and whatever else, like you shouldn't have done that in the first place? lol no, not buying it.

It's not rocket science.

So please tell me, how do two gay people, naturally conceive a child?
With the reproductuve medicine that allows gay couples to have children, will it be the biological child to both of the gay parents?

Kind Regards,

Aussiemusiclover

One does not exist, apart from surrogacy but only 1 would be the biological parent

[Bernadette]

Rolling my eyes at this vid. SMH, just smh.

All they want is to be able to get married and have the same EQUAL RIGHTS, and hell with the reproductive medicine today - gay couples CAN have their own children, children which people don't want, and even have their own biological kids.

I just don't understand what is so fucking wrong with that?

Like wow you changed 84 rules and whatever else, like you shouldn't have done that in the first place? lol no, not buying it.

It's not rocket science.

So please tell me, how do two gay people, naturally conceive a child?
With the reproductuve medicine that allows gay couples to have children, will it be the biological child to both of the gay parents?

Kind Regards,

Aussiemusiclover

One does not exist, apart from surrogacy but only 1 would be the biological parent

I know you obviously need a man or a woman if you are gay, but there are things out there nowadays and yes only one would be the bio parent but that shouldn't change things, adoption of the child would still be considered their child, love is love.

Marriage has changed a lot through the years too, to men "owning" women hence why marriage started and for them to have kids.. but then it became about love, so the women has more equal say in the whole matter and I think with tiems today it's ridic gay marriage isn't legal.

it doesn't affect you unless you are gay yourself and you want to get married, and nothing will compare until they get the same equal rights to get married.

It shouldn't be a big issue but society and ignorant people have made it so.

[aussiemusiclover]

I know you obviously need a man or a woman if you are gay, but there are things out there nowadays and yes only one would be the bio parent but that shouldn't change things, adoption of the child would still be considered their child, love is love.

Marriage has changed a lot through the years too, to men "owning" women hence why marriage started and for them to have kids.. but then it became about love, so the women has more equal say in the whole matter and I think with tiems today it's ridic gay marriage isn't legal.

it doesn't affect you unless you are gay yourself and you want to get married, and nothing will compare until they get the same equal rights to get married.

It shouldn't be a big issue but society and ignorant people have made it so.

Men do not own women, nor do women own men. We are individuals, or own people. It's also great that women have equal say these days, but that is a different argument to supposed 'marriage equality'.

What I'd like to know is, when the vote for gay marriage goes through parliament... If the bill is not passed and gay marriage is not legalised, will the gay community (and all who want gay marriage legalised) just continue to push for it again?

Kind Regards,

Aussiemusiclover

[aussiemusiclover]

Like wow you changed 84 rules and whatever else, like you shouldn't have done that in the first place? lol no, not buying it.

Those 84 laws, were changed recently to remove any discrimination, which allowed the acknowledgement of one's partner "(whether of the same or opposite sex)"

Kind Regards,

Aussiemusiclover

[MissToastie]

Aussiemusiclover, you make me want to stab you many times

[Bernadette]

I know you obviously need a man or a woman if you are gay, but there are things out there nowadays and yes only one would be the bio parent but that shouldn't change things, adoption of the child would still be considered their child, love is love.

Marriage has changed a lot through the years too, to men "owning" women hence why marriage started and for them to have kids.. but then it became about love, so the women has more equal say in the whole matter and I think with tiems today it's ridic gay marriage isn't legal.

it doesn't affect you unless you are gay yourself and you want to get married, and nothing will compare until they get the same equal rights to get married.

It shouldn't be a big issue but society and ignorant people have made it so.

Men do not own women, nor do women own men. We are individuals, or own people. It's also great that women have equal say these days, but that is a different argument to supposed 'marriage equality'.

What I'd like to know is, when the vote for gay marriage goes through parliament... If the bill is not passed and gay marriage is not legalised, will the gay community (and all who want gay marriage legalised) just continue to push for it again?

Kind Regards,

Aussiemusiclover

of course they'll push for it again, they'll keep pushing for it until they DO legalize gay marriage.

Like wow you changed 84 rules and whatever else, like you shouldn't have done that in the first place? lol no, not buying it.

Those 84 laws, were changed recently to remove any discrimination, which allowed the acknowledgement of one's partner "(whether of the same or opposite sex)"

Kind Regards,

Aussiemusiclover

LOL wow how lovely "acknowledge one's partner", as I said in that quote they should have done in the first place. Rolling my eyes at you over this entire issue.

[aussiemusiclover]

Like wow you changed 84 rules and whatever else, like you shouldn't have done that in the first place? lol no, not buying it.

Those 84 laws, were changed recently to remove any discrimination, which allowed the acknowledgement of one's partner "(whether of the same or opposite sex)"

Kind Regards,

Aussiemusiclover

LOL wow how lovely "acknowledge one's partner", as I said in that quote they should have done in the first place. Rolling my eyes at you over this entire issue.

at least they have removed discrimination.

Aussiemusiclover, you make me want to stab you many times

While it is a contentious topic, it's a little ironic that you feel that way considering this is a debate that is supposed to be all about love

Kind Regards,

Aussiemusiclover

Edited by aussiemusiclover, 18 July 2012 - 04:08 PM.

[MissToastie]

It is a topic that is supposed to be about love, so stop being an ass and being against gay marriage and being such an ignorant asshole.

[aussiemusiclover]

It is a topic that is supposed to be about love, so stop being an ass and being against gay marriage and being such an ignorant asshole.

While our opinions may differ, why can't you just respect my opinion (even if you don't agree with it)?

Kind Regards,

Aussiemusiclover

Edited by aussiemusiclover, 18 July 2012 - 04:10 PM.

[Bernadette]

Australia is always ONE big step forward, two steps backward so you barely even make progress. Yes it's good they removed discrimination, however it won't be enough until marriage is LEGAL in Australia.

[MissToastie]

Because I'm still butthurt over my status on here a while ago about hoping to be able to marry my fiancee and you came along and said how marriage is between a man and a woman. I respect peoples opinions on everything, but when they don't even try to see it from another point of view, then I get pissed off and raged.

[claire lou]

I think they should make it legal world wide to be honest.

Got nothing against gay people or gay marriage, I also believe that a gay marriage should be allowed to take place in a church.

[aussiemusiclover]

Because I'm still butthurt over my status on here a while ago about hoping to be able to marry my fiancee and you came along and said how marriage is between a man and a woman. I respect peoples opinions on everything, but when they don't even try to see it from another point of view, then I get pissed off and raged.

I apologise if I upset, hurt of offended you by the comments I made on your status.
While the comments I made were supporting my views, and against yours, my personal opinion/views probably were out of place in a response to your status update, especially considering the nature of the topic.

Kind Regards,

Aussiemusiclover

[MissToastie]

Thank you for the apology.

[Bernadette]

From Josh Thomas on his twitter and facebook

"Rant:

Bringing kids into the gay marriage debate is disingenuous crap that religious anti-gay lobby groups have latched on to because 'It makes God cranky' is just crap.

Fact: My boyfriend and I don't need to be married to have a kid. Isn't that obvious?
All we need is access to a uterus and there are literally billions of them around.
If gays want to have kids they can and will do it, you can not stop them.
We don't need a marriage certificate.

Religious lobby groups believe married parents are better parents- the logical extension of that is that gay married parents would be better than gay unmarried parents.

But talking logic to a religious lobby group is about as effective as teaching my dog long-division."